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		<title>By: Cuc Panama</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/04/27/flds-and-autonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-1704</link>
		<dc:creator>Cuc Panama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just needed to say that I found your site via Goolge and I am glad I did.  Keep up the good work and I will make sure to bookmark you for when I have more free time away from the books.  Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just needed to say that I found your site via Goolge and I am glad I did.  Keep up the good work and I will make sure to bookmark you for when I have more free time away from the books.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Emerita Chupka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emerita Chupka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo. Great job. Ich habe nicht erwarten, dass diese an einem Mittwoch. Dies ist eine großartige Geschichte. Danke!</p>
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		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/04/27/flds-and-autonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Positive Liberty &#187; Interesting Questions on Children and the FLDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Positive Liberty &#187; Interesting Questions on Children and the FLDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a fascinating exchange between Kerry Howley and Timothy Sandefur regarding the Fundamentalist Church of Latter-Day Saints (noted previously [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/04/27/flds-and-autonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On balance, I think you’re right to challenge the ultra-libertarian stance on government interference into the private lives of individuals…where the rights of minor children are concerned.  But as a single dad with three teen-aged kids, the thought of losing my parental rights as a result of an anonymous tip is terrifying.  So, I’d say that, while the protection of individual rights is a fundamental role of the state, the power to remove children from their home ought to be used as an absolute last resort.

That said however, the argument that the FLDS and similar authoritarian religious cults are severely impeding the development of the children under their influence is pretty compelling.  If the kids’ critical thinking faculties are repressed, and natural individuation is discouraged (except for the inconvenient boys, who apparently are prematurely emancipated), then a meaningful exercise of freedom and consent is all but impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On balance, I think you’re right to challenge the ultra-libertarian stance on government interference into the private lives of individuals…where the rights of minor children are concerned.  But as a single dad with three teen-aged kids, the thought of losing my parental rights as a result of an anonymous tip is terrifying.  So, I’d say that, while the protection of individual rights is a fundamental role of the state, the power to remove children from their home ought to be used as an absolute last resort.</p>
<p>That said however, the argument that the FLDS and similar authoritarian religious cults are severely impeding the development of the children under their influence is pretty compelling.  If the kids’ critical thinking faculties are repressed, and natural individuation is discouraged (except for the inconvenient boys, who apparently are prematurely emancipated), then a meaningful exercise of freedom and consent is all but impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: PLAIN TRUTH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLAIN TRUTH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god---pregnant seventeen year olds!! And 16 and 15!!! Not to mention that Texas lies.  Temple sex bed?  Lies.  Cyanide documents, a la Jim Jones?  lies.

I thought the Texas authorites said these people raped children.  Where are the stats on 13 and younger?  Isn&#039;t that what led to the raid?  

If they took the kids away from every  member of a type of group which has pregnant young ladies aged 17,  would catholics be allowed to have kids?  How about blacks?  I know whites have pregnant teenagers.  How about the Joooooooz.  I know they have pregnant teenagers.  Let&#039;s take away the kids of the Jooooooooooz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god&#8212;pregnant seventeen year olds!! And 16 and 15!!! Not to mention that Texas lies.  Temple sex bed?  Lies.  Cyanide documents, a la Jim Jones?  lies.</p>
<p>I thought the Texas authorites said these people raped children.  Where are the stats on 13 and younger?  Isn&#8217;t that what led to the raid?  </p>
<p>If they took the kids away from every  member of a type of group which has pregnant young ladies aged 17,  would catholics be allowed to have kids?  How about blacks?  I know whites have pregnant teenagers.  How about the Joooooooz.  I know they have pregnant teenagers.  Let&#8217;s take away the kids of the Jooooooooooz.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on target, Kerry.  Creepiness may not be illegal, but statutory rape sure is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on target, Kerry.  Creepiness may not be illegal, but statutory rape sure is.</p>
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		<title>By: Baldwin</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/04/27/flds-and-autonomy/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am struck by the fact that your post suggsting FLDS members might be better off if the state of Texas came in and broke up their families and made it illegal for them to have children, at least children they get to keep...was preceded by a post suggesting women are happier if they don&#039;t have children.

The BS meter just went nuclear. I&#039;ve met a family [I employed the father later on] who had had their children permantly removed because a prudish &#039;friend&#039; called CFS telling them the mother didn&#039;t wear enuff clothing around the house. Completely and utterly destroyed the parents. Feel free to contact the several millions of parents who have been &#039;visited&#039; by the &#039;village&#039; and see if they aren&#039;t universally less happy. Not to mention that @ 73% of those who age out of the foster &#039;care&#039; system end up in jail or homeless. Or 60% of Texas foster kids will be given drugs the FDA hasn&#039;t even approved for use by children. Or that kids in Texas foster &#039;care&#039; are 4x as likely to be murdered as the general population. Or that foster care has an unspeakably bad record of rape and pregnancy of minors, far higher than the pregnancy rate of minors in the general population which is already 3x to 4x higher than in FLDS...

...And I can double-damn guarantee you there won&#039;t be an increase in happiness among the women involved from this state sanctioned kidnapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struck by the fact that your post suggsting FLDS members might be better off if the state of Texas came in and broke up their families and made it illegal for them to have children, at least children they get to keep&#8230;was preceded by a post suggesting women are happier if they don&#8217;t have children.</p>
<p>The BS meter just went nuclear. I&#8217;ve met a family [I employed the father later on] who had had their children permantly removed because a prudish &#8216;friend&#8217; called CFS telling them the mother didn&#8217;t wear enuff clothing around the house. Completely and utterly destroyed the parents. Feel free to contact the several millions of parents who have been &#8216;visited&#8217; by the &#8216;village&#8217; and see if they aren&#8217;t universally less happy. Not to mention that @ 73% of those who age out of the foster &#8216;care&#8217; system end up in jail or homeless. Or 60% of Texas foster kids will be given drugs the FDA hasn&#8217;t even approved for use by children. Or that kids in Texas foster &#8216;care&#8217; are 4x as likely to be murdered as the general population. Or that foster care has an unspeakably bad record of rape and pregnancy of minors, far higher than the pregnancy rate of minors in the general population which is already 3x to 4x higher than in FLDS&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;And I can double-damn guarantee you there won&#8217;t be an increase in happiness among the women involved from this state sanctioned kidnapping.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Down on the Compound</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Down on the Compound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agree with Kerry in being a bit perplexed by what seems to me unreflective anti-gubmint reactions of libertarians to [...]</description>
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