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	<title>Comments on: About that Bob Herbert Column&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/01/16/about-that-bob-herbert-column/comment-page-1/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeva,

By the by, I haven&#039;t seen the commentaries in question, but I&#039;d be willing to wager that a sanctimonious shill like Olbermann would hedge his bets sooner than toss Hillary under the bus in regards to MSNBC/CNN&#039;s marching orders as to who&#039;s been anointed successor of the Democratic Machine.  And it looks like Hillary&#039;s the one.  

Also, I was referring to manhood more in a Jungian sense rather than the &quot;brandishing his johnson in his hand&quot; sense.  &quot;Manhood&quot; as such, that is to say masculinity just as femininity, in all its complexity, cannot be simply &quot;put away&quot;.  Gender, as I&#039;m sure you know, is a very deep part of our personalities, perhaps one of the earliest that develops.  Strike at that, and you&#039;ve not just hit a nerve, you&#039;ve hit THE nerve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeva,</p>
<p>By the by, I haven&#8217;t seen the commentaries in question, but I&#8217;d be willing to wager that a sanctimonious shill like Olbermann would hedge his bets sooner than toss Hillary under the bus in regards to MSNBC/CNN&#8217;s marching orders as to who&#8217;s been anointed successor of the Democratic Machine.  And it looks like Hillary&#8217;s the one.  </p>
<p>Also, I was referring to manhood more in a Jungian sense rather than the &#8220;brandishing his johnson in his hand&#8221; sense.  &#8220;Manhood&#8221; as such, that is to say masculinity just as femininity, in all its complexity, cannot be simply &#8220;put away&#8221;.  Gender, as I&#8217;m sure you know, is a very deep part of our personalities, perhaps one of the earliest that develops.  Strike at that, and you&#8217;ve not just hit a nerve, you&#8217;ve hit THE nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: Keeva</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/01/16/about-that-bob-herbert-column/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;dehumanization&quot; and &quot;objectification&quot; myths are the great lie of feminism and, in their own way, as misogynist as it gets. To imply that working women (prostitutes, porn stars and so on) are victims is to imply that they have no brain, no freedom of choice and no ability to quit. Bob Herbert just carries that lie over to the campaign.

Hillary&#039;s emotions are no different than John Edwards&#039; endless semi-tearful tales of his youth. And talk about objectifying, yelling, &quot;My wife has breast cancer,&quot; in front of a campaign sign DOES reduce her to an object or a symbol.

Hillary (and I am no fan of her in any way) has been criticized for her attire, emotions, singing voice (all women are supposed to sound like song birds) tough talk (women are not supposed to be tough) and more. All of which are based on the singularly misogynistic view of the primarily male media establishment. Note that that leading light of liberalism, Tim Russert, was among the first to go after the &quot;emotional moment,&quot; followed by Olbermann and Colmes.

The hard truth that these men have to swallow is that she is running as an equal, not as the &quot;little lady from New York,&quot; and get past their own fear of women and dislike of empowered women.

If they fear so much for their &quot;manhood,&quot; then they ought to learn to keep it put away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;dehumanization&#8221; and &#8220;objectification&#8221; myths are the great lie of feminism and, in their own way, as misogynist as it gets. To imply that working women (prostitutes, porn stars and so on) are victims is to imply that they have no brain, no freedom of choice and no ability to quit. Bob Herbert just carries that lie over to the campaign.</p>
<p>Hillary&#8217;s emotions are no different than John Edwards&#8217; endless semi-tearful tales of his youth. And talk about objectifying, yelling, &#8220;My wife has breast cancer,&#8221; in front of a campaign sign DOES reduce her to an object or a symbol.</p>
<p>Hillary (and I am no fan of her in any way) has been criticized for her attire, emotions, singing voice (all women are supposed to sound like song birds) tough talk (women are not supposed to be tough) and more. All of which are based on the singularly misogynistic view of the primarily male media establishment. Note that that leading light of liberalism, Tim Russert, was among the first to go after the &#8220;emotional moment,&#8221; followed by Olbermann and Colmes.</p>
<p>The hard truth that these men have to swallow is that she is running as an equal, not as the &#8220;little lady from New York,&#8221; and get past their own fear of women and dislike of empowered women.</p>
<p>If they fear so much for their &#8220;manhood,&#8221; then they ought to learn to keep it put away.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/01/16/about-that-bob-herbert-column/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that Clinton&#039;s problems, if they really surface in any existential way at all, with sexism, misogyny, etc. would have more to do with the confluence of her gender and her politics.  I would consciously have no problem electing a woman per se, that is if she were Christine Todd Whitman for instance.  Where I imagine the problem arises with most men of the conservative, libertarian, and even centrist persuasion is in Mrs. Clinton&#039;s ideological zeal for nanny statism and overall government control as it relates to her identity as a female, and thus to her relationship to a male public.  While she would be criticized simply for her liberal ideals in a relatively analytical discourse were she a man, a more visceral reaction results due to the deep subconscious associations of female emasculation.      A politician who wants to run one&#039;s life and take his individual rights is taking his liberty.  A female politician who seeks to do the same is taking much more symbolically ... his manhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that Clinton&#8217;s problems, if they really surface in any existential way at all, with sexism, misogyny, etc. would have more to do with the confluence of her gender and her politics.  I would consciously have no problem electing a woman per se, that is if she were Christine Todd Whitman for instance.  Where I imagine the problem arises with most men of the conservative, libertarian, and even centrist persuasion is in Mrs. Clinton&#8217;s ideological zeal for nanny statism and overall government control as it relates to her identity as a female, and thus to her relationship to a male public.  While she would be criticized simply for her liberal ideals in a relatively analytical discourse were she a man, a more visceral reaction results due to the deep subconscious associations of female emasculation.      A politician who wants to run one&#8217;s life and take his individual rights is taking his liberty.  A female politician who seeks to do the same is taking much more symbolically &#8230; his manhood.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
		<link>http://kerryhowley.com/2008/01/16/about-that-bob-herbert-column/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, YOU&#039;RE a symbol with some serious problems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, YOU&#8217;RE a symbol with some serious problems!</p>
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